Forget Jordan

  • Monday, June 15, 2009 8:01 AM
  • Written By: Steve Springer

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Let’s start with a basic fact.

Michael Jordan is not the greatest basketball player of all time. Never was. Never will be.

ESPN’s choice of him for Athlete of the Century back in 2000 was a joke. There were only three possibilities for that designation: Babe Ruth, who opened the door to sports for the general public like nobody else in the first half of the 20th century, Jackie Robinson, who opened the floodgates for African-Americans and, indeed, all minorities in the middle of the century, and Muhammad Ali, who put sports on the world stage like nobody else in the latter half of the century.

Michael Jordan? He didn’t win his first NBA title until 1991. And he ruled all ten decades? I don’t think so.

Which brings us to Kobe Bryant, who will soon be fitted for his fourth championship ring, an accomplishment being touted as another rung on his climb to catch or surpass Jordan.

After all, say those making the comparison, Jordan had six NBA titles, Bryant four, as if they alone exist in the basketball pantheon.

At age 30, with the best supporting cast in the game, Bryant certainly figures to move further up the ladder of greatness, but Jordan is hardly the only rung above him.

For starters, how about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? He also had six NBA titles. But he also won three championships in college at UCLA, while Jordan won only one NCAA title in his three seasons at North Carolina.

Kareem had such a big impact on the college game that the dunk was briefly outlawed during his reign because he was such a dominant force.

I know, I know, we’re supposed to be discussing NBA greats. But we’re also discussing basketball greats and the collegiate years should figure in that equation as well.

And finally, Kareem is the NBA’s all-time leading scorer, another distinction that should put him higher on the ladder than Jordan.

But ultimately, there are two other giants who will settle this argument, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain.

If it’s statistics you want, the argument ends with Chamberlain.

There has never been a force in the game like the 7-1, 275-pounder. He had 100 points in a single game, 55 rebounds in one game and a single-season scoring average of 50.4 points, records that will be probably never be broken.

But the standard for greatness in sports usually comes down to championships. And in that department, Russell dwarfs Chamberlain and everyone else who ever dribbled a ball.

Russell won 11 titles in 13 seasons, including eight in a row.

An eight-peat.

End of discussion.

While the roster of the Boston Celtics changed over that period, Russell was the constant. He changed the game by elevating defense to the same level of excellence as the offenses of his day.

And, he won his last two championships as player/coach, a status none of his rivals for greatest player ever attempted.

But, the argument goes, there were only eight teams in the NBA for the early part of Russell’s era.

Exactly. All the more reason to praise him. With the best talent concentrated on only eight teams, that made each of those squads tougher than many of the watered-down teams in existence today.

Fortunately, the NBA has finally recognized Russell’s greatness, 40 years after he left the game, by naming it’s NBA Finals MVP trophy after him.

Jordan may have been the greatest shoe salesman the game has ever known, but greatest player? I don’t think so.

For Bryant, the target is much higher.

Bill Russell was the greatest of all time.

Case closed.





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PatRileyWasAStud
Incredible piece, Steve. Tremendous insight and historical perspective.
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HoopsFan
SpringLoaded, who do you think is the greatest coach of all time? Does Phil land on top??
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Jimmy from Provo
Kobe Bryant is Jordan lite. The way he moves on the court, the way he chews his gum, his facial expressions, the way he does interviews are all Jordan knock-offs. MJ was an original...Kobe is the protege. Jordan did more for basketball than Kobe ever will.
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TomahawkTrio
Now that's conviction. Bottom line is you can only assess a player's greatness when compared against that particular era.
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macattack
I don't really agree here but I admire your passion about it. MJ's clutch play puts him over everyone. He won 80 some games on last second shots.
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Reign Man
Magic Johnson needs to be in this discussion.
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Zac McG
Championships don't decide greatness... The Celtics team changed over that decade, but they consistently had other HOFers other than Russell. Jordan didn't win until '91 because he was facing elite competition in the Knicks, Celtics, and Pistons, and didn't have a supporting cast until then. Jordan was tested nearlyevery game, Russell was only tested against Wilt.
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AirUpHere
Your argument is strong, but I disagree for the following reasons: Russell was a defensive force, but he never dominated on the offensive end, relying more on his teammates. Chamberlain is perhaps the greatest raw power the NBA has ever known, but didn't have that borderline insane passion to win which fueled Russell. Jordan had a little of both, so he might not have as many rings or a 50 ppg season, but is the best player overall
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rob
case closed seems a little premature. sure, kareem is the all-time point leader but he also played 20 seasons to jordan's 15. add to that info the fact that kareem won 5 of his 6 wins when he was the second or third best player on his team (magic in the early 80s, magic and worthy in the later 80s) and it's hard to close the case. it's an interesting discussion though.
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Zac McG
Also... about the "8-peat". Jordan would've won 8 straight had he played both of the seasons in between his 2 3peats. Jordan is the greatest ever, it seems like you're just trying to make headlines with this argument.
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Planet X
Don't forget there were only 10 teams or so when Russell played so it was easier winning back then
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yelowmandingo@aol.com
Russell, team, not individual stats, Chamberlain indivdual stats, MJ, more individual stats than team stats, popularity MJ, blame the sport writers for the bs on who is great, not the individuals who have their preference, If that was the case, why isnt Oscar Rob, or WIilt or Russ, the symbol of the NBA. West was great, Mike's swoosh man symbol is own by NIKE. So who is really deservant of the title of " The best of the NBA". If it is Kareem , he cant even get a job as a coach of the NBA. WTF!!!!!!!!!!.
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yelowmandingo@aol.com
Russell, team, not individual stats, Chamberlain indivdual stats, MJ, more individual stats than team stats, popularity MJ, blame the sport writers for the bs on who is great, not the individuals who have their preference, If that was the case, why isnt Oscar Rob, or WIilt or Russ, the symbol of the NBA. West was great, Mike's swoosh man symbol is own by NIKE. So who is really deservant of the title of " The best of the NBA". If it is Kareem , he cant even get a job as a coach of the NBA. WTF!!!!!!!!!!.
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Alex
where the game stats to backup your arguement Kobe vs. MJ? From the hoop doctors. Kobe Bryant 25.1 Scoring Avg 23820 pts 5.3 reb/gm 4.6 ast/gm 1.5 stl/gm .840%FT .455%FG .341%3PT 36.4 minutes/gm Accolades - 1 MVP(’07-’08), 1 Finals MVP, 11 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 7 time All NBA 1st team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 2 Scoring Titles 12 Playoff Appearances(25.0 pts, 5.1 rebs, 4.7 ast in 175 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 7 Conference Finals, 4 NBA Titles Rookie Season - 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rebs, 1.3 ast Best Season - Scoring - (’05-’06)35.4 pts Rebounding - 6.9 reb(’02-’03) Assists - 6.0(’04-’05) Michael Jordan 31.4 Scoring Avg 29277pts 6.3 reb/gm 5.5 ast/gm 2.4 stl/gm .840%FT .500%FG .330%3PT 38.5 minutes/gm Accolades - 5 MVP’s(’88, ‘91, ‘92, ‘96, ‘98), 6 Finals MVP’s, 12 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 10 time All NBA 1st Team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 1 time Defensive Player of Year(’88), Rookie of Year(’85), 10 Scoring Titles, 3 Steals Titles 13 Playoff Appearances(33.4 pts, 6.4 rebs, 5.7 ast in 179 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 8 Conference Finals Appearances, 6 NBA Titles Rookie Season - 28.2 ppg, 4.5 rebs, 5.9 ast Best Season - Scoring - 37.1 pts(’86-’87) Rebounding - 8.0 reb(’88-’89) Assists - 8.0 ast(’88-’89) Conclusion: he numbers prove that while Kobe is probably the player of the 2000’s, MJ is superior in almost every category.
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Charles Rodriguez
Have u even watch a Chicago Bulls game that MJ was a part of...you are totally fuken clueless...besides stats don't win championships...ask the Mavericks of '06 or the Suns of '93
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D.L.L.
Not so. Kareem and Wilt were 7 footers and Russell was just about 7 feet. None could handle the ball like Mike, or create like Mike. I agree, those 3 were great, and deserve some discussion, but they didn't play against athletes like Mike did, except maybe Kareem. Mike built Chicago into a champion, and never let up once they won their first. Note the Bulls decline when he retired the first and second time. Their is an argument as to who the greatest was, but you can't just shut M.J. out of the equation. That's a HATER!!!
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Crap
This is dumb. Karl Malone never won a championship. Darko Milicic has. Does that mean Darko is a better player than Karl? NO, you freaking idiot. championships matter, but not to the extent that they are the only thing that tell if one player is better than the other. this piece stinks. Get Bent.
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Jon
What made Jordan great is what made Muhammad Ali great: he made the sport a worldwide phenomenon. In the last half century, only three players were bigger than their sport: Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods. Take any of them out of their sport for a year, and worldwide interest in the sport plummets. Jordan was an ambassador of the game unlike any team sport athlete ever. Not only was he an elite player - up with the Russells and Chamberlains and Jabbars and Kobes - but he was so entertaining that it brought millions of new fans to the game.
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radaractive
Wilt was a better player than Russell, Russell was on better teams. Just happening to be on the superior team does not make you the better player, otherwise we would be working on getting Steve Kerr into the HOF. Chamberlain dominated near both baskets, Jordan did it for 94 feet. This article is largely fact-free and displays a great lack of understanding of the game of basketball.
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Harry Manos III
i think it was Pistol Pete Maravich
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K-man
Great information and insight, but you must be blind... Michael Jordan was the greatest that ever played the game... then Magic, then Baylor, then Kareem... Its not just a matter of points but the whole game.
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K-man
Pistol Pete was unbelievable... I don't think there will ever be another player like him.
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BIG MIKE
There is little room to argue the point. Bill Russell is the greatest player to ever lace 'em up. Its painful for me to admit this being a 55 year UCLA fan. And, yes, Red Auerbach was a wonderful coach....but he is not called "The Coach." The number one person/player/coach in all of basketball history is John R. Wooden. Unequaled as a player....first person in the Basketball HOF as both a player and a coach ( I know there are now others)....and in the land of the Boston Celtics....in the heartland of Eastern Basketball....in the Basketball Hall of Fame....in Springfield, Massachusetts.....the most prestigous (largest) display is the one for THE COACH....John Wooden. This kind of talk would embarass Coach Wooden....but I am proud to have been excited and inspried by him, as well as royally entertained.
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Big Mike
Just read a few of the other takes....and it embarrassed me. Wilt is better for stats.....Russell was just on better teams.... WHAT POOR FANS......ROTTEN FANS..... IGNORANT FANS....Listen....there are 5 players on each team...when one team wins all the time, every year....over and over and over and over, there is a reason for this....Most of the players on the Boston Celtics played a few years and moved on, retired, were traded, got old....but one player was there for all those championships, and, in fact, coached them to the last two titles. If Russell was just lucky to be on better teams.....then he SURELY must be in the LUCKY HALL OF FAME.....he is certainly in the Basketball HOF and OWNED Wilt Chamberlain in big games......owned him. At the end of each game you just have to look at the scoreboard to tell what happened....and what happened was BILL RUSSELL's TEAMS ALMOST ALWAYS WON. End of story, whippersnappers.
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Larry
Does "eight" in a row tell us how great the team was or lack of competition in the old days. Is a player ever going to score 100 in todays game? NO End of discussion!!!